Joe Shelerud, CEO of Ad Advance, sits down with Ryan Craver, Chief Strategy Officer of Podean, for a candid, fast-moving conversation on what’s actually happening in AI tools arms race right now — and what it means for agencies and marketers.

Key Takeaways:
- The pace is the story. The speed of innovation has fundamentally changed how teams need to operate.
- Agent orchestration is here. OpenClaw, Claude Cowork, and Perplexity Computer each offer different on-ramps to agentic workflows.
- Real wins are happening. Tasks that once took an hour are taking five minutes. Recurring research, competitive intelligence, and internal reporting are being automated — right now, not someday.
- Don’t get locked in. Both hosts agree: building around one model ecosystem is risky.
A great listen for agency leaders, marketers, and anyone trying to cut through AI hype and find what’s actually worth their time.